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- From: ell@access1.digex.net (Ell)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.object,comp.software-eng
- Subject: Re: Beware of "C" Hackers -- A rebuttal to Bertrand Meyer
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- Date: 19 Apr 1996 16:46:07 GMT
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- Dellis Hines (dellish@datalytics.com) wrote:
- :Ell wrote:
- :> Kazimir Kylheku (c2a192@ugrad.cs.ubc.ca) wrote:
- :>: Ell <ell@access4.digex.net> wrote:
- :>: >You are in "hell" when don't see the existence and importance of
- :>: >Object-Oriented Analysis (OOA), in my opinion. But that is nature of some
- :>: >types in the OO arena.
-
- :> :The OO arena is a philosophical one. I don't particularly subscribe to the
- :> : view
- :> :that there ought to be a naive correspondence between software entities and
- :> :some ``real world'' entities, except when it's utterly convenient, and on
- :> :the third Wednesday of every month.
-
- :> :The whole thing is a little childish and naive when taken too far.
-
- :> You know what is a real crime is the time and money wasted by those who
- :> ignore and downplay OOA.
- :>
- :> Elliott
-
- :I believe that you should go back and read the post you're replying to,
- :where the writer clearly
- :states 'when taken TOO far'.
-
- I guess my point is OOA hasn't been taken far enough - there are many
- projects where it has not been carried out, or carried aout well in the
- past.
-
- :To imagine that OOA/OOP is a do all/end all and a silver bullet (you
- :know what Fred Brooks says about those) that cures all ills is more than a
- :bit misguided.
-
- I have never said OOA/OOP "cures all ills". I've always put in the
- context of good, reality based, iterative, and incremental process.
-
- :Yes, it
- :is a fantastic technology that has helped reduce complexity in complex
- :projects (as my own
- :experience can attest). But, vitriolic, non-elucidated replies to 'heretics'
- :won't get you
- :anywhere.
-
- I think it is highly unfair, and wrong of you to assert that anywhere
- near most of my posts have been "vitriolic, non-elucidated replies". I
- think if you really read my posts you will get something useful out of
- them.
-
- : OOA/OOP is a tool in every engineer's toolkit, not an end unto itself.
-
- It is more than a tool, it also is a philosophy, or has a philosophical
- underpinning.
-
- : 'Imagination is more important than knowledge' - Einstein
-
- Precisely. ;-)
-
- Elliott
-
-
-